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Mr. DURBIN. Would the Senator yield for a question?
Mrs. HAGAN. I will yield to the Senator.
Mr. DURBIN. I wish to thank the Senator from North Carolina for her leadership on this issue involving title loans and payday loans. I know she led the fight in her home State of North Carolina before she came here to the Senate.
I wish to ask the Senator from North Carolina, is it not true we passed a law a few years ago to protect military families from being exploited by these same lenders, arguing that, here we are, investing all this money in training and preparing men and women to serve in our military, and then they are ensnared by these payday loan operations, they find themselves at their wit's end, they cannot make their payments, they are facing bankruptcy, and many of them had to take leave or be discharged from the military because of these miserable payday loan operations? Is it not true we passed a law protecting military families from this kind of predatory lending a few years ago?
Mrs. HAGAN. The Senator from Illinois is certainly correct. I believe, instead of anywhere near a 400-percent rate, there are limitations of 36 percent. The Senator is correct.
Mr. DURBIN. So I further ask, through the Chair, the Senator from North Carolina is saying, if we want to protect military families from this outrageous conduct by these lenders, then should not we protect all American families who might be in similar circumstances, ensnared by these people who will continue to roll these loans over and over to the point where a person cannot possibly pay it off?
Does not the Senator's amendment say there has to be a limit to the number of rollovers on the loans, and is not the limit somewhere in the range of six rollovers, six times rolled over as a maximum?
Mrs. HAGAN. The Senator is exactly right. This amendment allows, if a family does need to have a short-term advance, for a short-term advance, renewable six times. They can have six of them within a 1-year period of time. If at that point they cannot repay it, the institution has to give them a longer repayment schedule.
We are not saying these loans cannot be given. But that recurring debt over and over and over again is what should be stopped by limiting it to six a year.
Mr. DURBIN. I thank the Senator from North Carolina for her leadership. These are truly the bottom feeders of the credit industry in America.
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