Fox News "Hannity" - Transcript: Political correctness and jihad

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CARLSON: Yes, because it just happened in France the other day. That was homeland security secretary Jeh Johnson telling you what you already knew, warning terrorists could be trying to infiltrate our refugee resettlement program, the one that you are paying for. Texas Congressman Brian Babin does not think the U.S. should be welcoming Syrian refugees due to those concerns. He joins us now along with his son Leif who is the author of the terrific New York Times bestseller, "Extreme Ownership, How the U.S. Navy Seals Lead and Win," and a friend of ours at Fox. Thanks both of you for being here.

First to you, congressman. I think if you look at the polling on the subject, most Americans are open-hearted, decent people who welcome foreigners in trouble, but I don't think many at all support moving people from the Syrian battlefield to this country because, like, why would we.  Can we stop this?

REP. BRIAN BABIN, R-TEXAS: We're trying. I have been trying to do this since I dropped a Bill back in July called the resettlement accountability and national security act which would suspend this program.

 Unfortunately, we couldn't get it through this latest bill, this omnibus bill. But I'm not giving up. This is an overwhelmingly important aspect and issue today, and the American people are with us. And they don't want jihad. They don't want to open doors and opportunity for jihad and ISIS to come in and set up bases of operation legally, and at taxpayer expense right here in America and have a repeat of San Bernardino and Paris and some of the other attacks that we've seen. And so we are going to continue this fight, and we will keep going with every fiber in our body to continue to try this.

CARLSON: Leif, does it bother you as someone who served his country with gun in hand and risked his life doing it to hear Hillary Clinton describe anyone with your father's point of view as a bigot?

LEIF BABIN, "EXTREME OWNERSHIP" AUTHOR: It certainly does. It's incredibly naive and just foolish to think the terrorists aren't going to be exploiting this program. I applaud my dad and his courage to stand up and lead this fight to put a stop to this ridiculous program.

CARLSON: But the demagoguery makes it almost impossible to be honest about it. There's nothing bigoted about saying what your dad just said, what you said, what I think, what I think the overwhelming majority of Americans think. We want to help, but this is really dangerous. You're a bigot for saying this now?

LEIF BABIN: What's messed up about this, the most difficult thing is Hillary Clinton as secretary of state is to blame. President Obama is to blame for this problem. And we could have easily solved this problem a year ago if we had leadership that allowed the U.S. military to destroy ISIS where they are in Iraq and Syria and we wouldn't have this refugee problem.

CARLSON: One of my ongoing frustrations with Washington is nobody learns from anything. And you'll notice that every week there's a story about Minneapolis as this hotbed for home grown terrorism. Why Minneapolis? Because there are a lot of angry Swedes? No. Because we resettled a ton of Somali refugees there. A lot of them are great people.  Some of them aren't. And so is anybody in Washington thinking through what we can do with future waves of refugees to make sure they don't wind up like the ones in Minneapolis?

BABIN: Yes, there is. Brian Babin, I was a voice in the wilderness for months. Then after the attack in Paris and San Bernardino, all of a sudden, everybody is talking about it.

But political correctness is getting people killed. And we have got to stop the politically correct way of thinking inside the beltway up here in Washington. And instead of plussing up our refugee program, which this omnibus spending package does by $100 million, we need to cut this thing out. We need to suspend it. And we need to stop worrying about shutting the government down, who's going to be blamed for that, because overwhelmingly Americans want to stop this refugee program. They know it's dangerous. We have seen the results of it. And we don't want a repeat of it. Look at western Europe where we have no-go zones. We've got to stop this.

CARLSON: Of course, Leif, have you noticed that the people in favor of this, almost all of them have 24-hour armed body guards paid for at public expense, which is to say they will never have to personally deal with the consequences of the programs they support?

LEIF BABIN: That's very true. And those same people want to take the guns away from law abiding citizens.

CARLSON: The ones with their own body guards who are armed.

LEIF BABIN: Exactly, which is despicable.

What bothers me most about this is we have got extraordinary U.S. troops that are serving overseas, doing their best to try to take on this threat and eliminate the problem and not just the symptom. We have to take the reins off them and allow them to do their jobs and take the fight to ISIS and destroy them.

CARLSON: If I'm in the U.S. military and sleeping outside with a gun in my hand in the Middle East, I'm really hoping that the people giving the orders know what they're doing, are sincere, responsible, knowledgeable, have America's interest at heart. How worried would you be if you were still over there with the leadership we have now?

LEIF BABIN: Well, it's incredibly frustrating. Our troops understand this is an evil enemy. This radical Islamic jihadi enemy that we face is an evil an enemy as the U.S. military has ever faced in our long history, and we have to do something about it. No matter who's in charge, they're going to do what they can to make it happen.

CARLSON: That is such a great attitude. Finally, congressman, you have made, I think, a series of comments and points. You're clearly not crazy or wild. You seem to be someone who wants to protect the country, and that's what you should want. How many of your fellow Republicans in the House would you say agree with you?

BABIN: I had 75 of my colleagues sign on to my Bill. We need far more than that, of course.

CARLSON: Where are the rest of them? Why in the world wouldn't they support this? Do you have any idea?

BABIN: You know, I don't know what it's going to take for folks to wake up. I mean, as Leif just said, what is it going to take for the president to wake up? You know, the danger is real. And it is a national crisis right now.
Our FBI director, as you just played a while ago, Jeh Johnson, secretary of homeland security, we're being warned. These guys work for the president.

And we've just got to understand that the American people are afraid. They're apprehensive. They're out arming themselves because they know that things can happen real fast right here in our own country. They will and have.

And I will say this. We saw the bad thing that happened in San Bernardino. But when the jihadis attacked in Texas, we had some armed people there, and it didn't turn out so well for them. And so if the authorities can't be there, then we have to be vigilant, and instead of disarming us, this administration needs to be certain that our Second Amendment rights are happening and that we are armed ourselves.

CARLSON: People are all going to be living in Texas by the end.  Congressman, thanks a lot for joining us. Leif, great to see you. Father and son, you guys should have a special. Appreciate it.

BABIN: Thank you.

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